Curse

Gli · May 30, 2010, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by Ashius

If you're referring to me, then I'm hardly defending anything, I did not receive a ban. But what I was saying is that they should not be thrown in the same boat as gold farmers, a 2 week suspension would be enough to let them know that A-Net is serious, and it would not lose them as potential customers for GW2. And don't say that the community would be better without them, as chances are 100% of what they had on their account they earned themselves, they just merely became curious and were burned at the stake for it.

Curiosity killed the cat. The cat can be excused though, he's just a dumb animal. Experienced players should know better. Regardless of what the EULA says, it's not an unexpected innovation to be banned from an online game for messing with the game. It's a more than a decade-old concept. It should come as no surprise that you might get a bullet in the head when you play russian roulette.

Ashius · May 30, 2010, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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Originally Posted by Gli

Curiosity killed the cat. The cat can be excused though, he's just a dumb animal. Experienced players should know better. Regardless of what the EULA says, it's not an unexpected innovation to be banned from an online game for messing with the game. It's a more than a decade-old concept. It should come as no surprise that you might get a bullet in the head when you play russian roulette.

But what I don't think you understand is that one of the main intentions of this action was to remove the major exploiters from the game, but it has resulted in more of a little guy suffers, big guy gets hit with nothing as he has the resources to move on. That is why I believe there should have been varying levels of punishment, it would have had the same effect.

Dervish Kid · May 30, 2010, 05:17 PM // 17:17

Botters come back, ban ban ban.. just check IP anet and keep banning

Ashius · May 30, 2010, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by Dervish Kid

Botters come back, ban ban ban.. just check IP anet and keep banning

IP bans aren't 100% effective, not everyone has a static IP.

Gill Halendt · May 30, 2010, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by Covah

Pretty sure 24 hour ban is the most basic.

Not for the EULA: account suspensions are given for players' behavioural issues in game.

This is not the case. Account termination is issued even for delays in payment with the Credit Card, which looks like a minor offence when compared to hacking.

Emunator · May 30, 2010, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by Ashius

IP bans aren't 100% effective, not everyone has a static IP.

Well i got banned, would really suck if my father got banned too since we are on the same internet connection.

Now the only thing that sucks is when i walk downstairs is that my father is playing guild wars a lot and i cant play.

So i agree on ip bans are not 100% effective also for people like the ones in belgium, they turn of their modem and turn it on again and then they get a new ip adress.

cormac ap dunn · May 30, 2010, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Emunator

Well i got banned, would really suck if my father got banned too since we are on the same internet connection.

Now the only thing that sucks is when i walk downstairs is that my father is playing guild wars a lot and i cant play.

So i agree on ip bans are not 100% effective also for people like the ones in belgium, they turn of their modem and turn it on again and then they get a new ip adress.

Good point as to why they banned the accounts as well.

Emunator · May 30, 2010, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Good point as to why they banned the accounts as well.

Wrong.
If they did that they could ban people like my father too and i know he never bots too.
They probably banned those accounts because they where also used with a 3rd party program.

cormac ap dunn · May 30, 2010, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Emunator

Wrong.
If they did that they could ban people like my father too and i know he never bots too.
They probably banned those accounts because they where also used with a 3rd party program.

I think you misunderstood, I was agreeing with you, its a good thing they banned the individual accounts for the sake of people like your father. It was also needed in cases with rotating IP addresses.

Emunator · May 30, 2010, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

I think you misunderstood, I was agreeing with you, its a good thing they banned the individual accounts for the sake of people like your father. It was also needed in cases with rotating IP addresses.

Then i actually did misunderstand you.

Il Living Il · May 31, 2010, 08:03 AM // 08:03

i return home from travvelling tommorow, if banned am i going to try and log on and be presented with a code 45 or am i going to have to wait around for dhuum to come scythe me?

Emunator · May 31, 2010, 08:25 AM // 08:25

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Originally Posted by Il Living Il

i return home from travvelling tommorow, if banned am i going to try and log on and be presented with a code 45 or am i going to have to wait around for dhuum to come scythe me?

You would get code 45

glountz · May 31, 2010, 09:26 AM // 09:26

I would like to thanks A-Net for the action they just took.

I'm a former GW player (look at my join date on Guru) that has been completely disgusted from Guild Wars due to apparent laxism regarding botting, synchers and cheaters (and also lack of content, but that's another story).

I did actually argue about bottin' long time ago, but when influent guru posters (as Martin - directly accused to bot in RbR) tried to minimize the bottin' aspect or began to say it's either negligible or can't be solved, I just quitted GW.
As a side note, I botted in low level (aka RA-TA) arenas. I used TextMod and did use autoclickers for my drunkard title. However, I did never pursue the botting very far (i.e. I have not finished my drunkard title since I prefered to have it the legit way, using builds revolving around drunk-based skills - but it asked too much of my time, or I never used GWXX (put the right letters) to farm raptors etc...).
I did also quit PvP (and Guild wars in fact) when it got invaded by botters and when ,after having tried rupts bots, I saw they were by far superior to a legit player, because unable to be fooled by skill cancelling, and able to see the key skills to interrupt. I came to Guru to say how it was an issue, and people just laughed at me justifying botting, or saying "Anet works on GW2, get with it and shut up".
Surprisingly I did not have my account banned. I just logged in after that a friend of mine said on Lotro that he had his account banned. I would have so much liked that it was. That means that a lot of botting accounts are still completely untouched. Maybe they didn't ban me because that makes months now I don't play anymore. I would like to see even more severity. I did bot, I should be banned. End of story. I think that Anet made a kinda "advertisement" to prevent legit players from switching to another game, without striking too hard the botters who still have paid too for GW.
3700 accounts is meaningless.
However, what they did kinda raised the esteem I have in A-Net. I may try GW2 and not stick to Diablo III and Starcraft II, as I wanted to, since Anet seemed unable to prevent cheaters from invading the community.

To Anet: Cheers.

To botters : QQ moar.

EDIT: corrections to my bad english.

ashes · May 31, 2010, 09:35 AM // 09:35

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Originally Posted by glountz

I botted in low level arenas. I used TextMod and did use autoclickers for my drunkard title.
I did bot, I should be banned.

Define botted in low lvl? Texmod and drunkard bot is allowed

Lord Sojar · May 31, 2010, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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Originally Posted by ashes

Define botted in low lvl? Texmod and drunkard bot is allowed

Drunkard bot is NOT allowed. Do not post misinformation.

Texmod is allowed, as it isn't botting, in ANY form. Texmod simply changes textures client side, and cannot play the game for you in any form.

Botting is defined as "When you leave the computer, your character continues to give input to the server" or "your character gives extra input into the server without you taking those actions physically". If either one of those = True, you are botting, and you will be found, and you will be banned.

ashes · May 31, 2010, 09:47 AM // 09:47

Ever heard of anyone getting banned for using drunkard bot?

I thought we have had this discussion 100 times already

Lord Sojar · May 31, 2010, 09:48 AM // 09:48

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Originally Posted by ashes

Ever heard of anyone getting banned for using drunkard bot?

I thought we have had this discussion 100 times already

Uh... lol? So, since you haven't heard about it, it's ok, despite ANET saying it isn't? Time for you to go to the corner and be quiet now. ANET has forbidden the use of this bot, and if a GM sees you using it to level your drunkard title, they WILL BAN YOU PERMANENTLY. Discussion over.

Morphy · May 31, 2010, 11:39 AM // 11:39

Yay, finally.

Sarevok Thordin · May 31, 2010, 11:59 AM // 11:59

Another tip, don't use G11 keyboards to macro the drunkard title either...

ashes · May 31, 2010, 12:04 PM // 12:04

GW would be a nice game if Anet retroactively banned all former drunkard bot users

*tumbleweed*